[One Piece] Is Rob Lucci Really CP0’s Top Despite Losing to Pre-Haki Luffy? Japanese Fans Aren’t Buying It
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Rob Lucci — June 2018 — Can Someone Who Lost to Pre-Haki Luffy Really Sit at the Top of CP0?
If CP0 is supposed to be the World Government’s ultimate force, why does its leadership feel… underwhelming to so many readers? And why does Rob Lucci, of all people, trigger that discomfort?
794: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 CP0’s leader isn’t Lucci, right? If it’s Lucci, that’s way too weak.
796: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>794 I mean, Lucci has grown too. But if someone stronger than Lucci shows up in CP, that’s weird too. What’s disappointing is Lucci and Sabo being treated as equals.
797: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>794 From Carmel’s line, it sounded like CP0 had people as strong as Admirals. So if Lucci is the strongest, that’s kind of a letdown. Two years ago, Vice Admirals already respected him, so it’s possible current Lucci is Admiral-level… but even that feels lame.
Mother Carmel “If he joined the Marines, he’d be future Admiral or even Fleet Admiral material. If he went into Cipher Pol, he’d become the Celestial Dragons’ strongest shield.” “Fifty years in the child-selling business. Even by my standards, this is the best product I’ve ever handled. Thirty-seven years ago, I put on a little show with the Navy and slipped into Elbaf—”
799: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 Lucci lost to pre-Haki Luffy two years ago. Calling him anything but fodder now is crazy. If he gives Doflamingo or Katakuri a good fight, that’d kill the hype.
801: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 Lucci failing his mission and still skyrocketing in rank makes no sense.
802: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 If Lucci’s at the top, CP0’s ceiling is obvious.
803: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 That big-masked CP0 guy isn’t Blueno, right? Please don’t do that. I want new CP0 characters, not Lucci, Kaku, and Spandam again.
The world’s strongest intelligence agency Cipher Pol “Aegis” Zero
805: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>803 Once I saw Lucci, Kaku, and Spandam, I already lost interest.
What Is CP0 Even Supposed to Be?
818: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 I don’t really get what CP’s role is. CP9 did intel and infiltration, killing if needed. So what’s CP0? Do they just rank people by strength and authority?
826: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>818 They’re basically the Celestial Dragons’ personal agents. They move only by their orders. Like the whole Doflamingo Warlord resignation mess.
833: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 I want CP0’s top to guard Imu, number two to guard the Five Elders, and Lucci to just guard some random Celestial Dragon. If Lucci’s the leader, CP0 feels weak.
Lucci’s Strength: Growth or Excuses?
699: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/19 Is it really okay for a guy who lost to a Haki-less Luffy to guard the Celestial Dragons?
820: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 Lucci’s the director, so maybe he’s Admiral-level now. Two years ago, he was about equal to Luffy, and Luffy grew to near-Admiral level in two years. So Lucci growing too isn’t weird. He was always said to have insane potential.
830: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>820 Luffy beat two Warlords, trained, and beat a billion-berry pirate. Did Lucci really do anything comparable while babysitting Celestial Dragons?
834: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>830 You can just say he got rusty from long-term infiltration. He was already close to Admiral level back then. Vice Admirals clearly treated him as superior. His Doriki increased even during infiltration, so he was still training.
831: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 If Lucci loves killing so much, he should’ve become a pirate. He’s just a government dog scared of Admirals, hunting weaklings. Is he Hisoka or something?
835: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>831 Like Akainu, he’s just following his own absolute justice. He’d kill allies too if it served justice.
844: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>835 All that “under the name of dark justice” stuff just felt like nothing more than a pretext to justify killing. Plus, he looked way too happy when he was fighting Luffy.
Rob Lucci “Probably blood. When you’re here (Cipher Pol), even killing gets justified.”
847: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>844 He doesn’t see himself as a murderer because it’s all under justice.
Power Scaling: Admirals, CP0, and Emperors
843: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 Two years ago, Lucci had no Haki, while all Vice Admirals had it. So he was clearly below them.
848: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 Lucci almost passed out from Gear 3 with no Haki. If he took a Kong Gun now, he’d probably die.
Luffy “Gigant Pistol!!”
849: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 World Government’s top forces: Navy HQ — Three Admirals Impel Down — Magellan (Shiryu) Enies Lobby — Lucci If Lucci’s below Vice Admiral, Enies Lobby was way too weak.
854: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>849 It was weak. It’s mid-game RPG logic.
850: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 Maybe intel agencies don’t need raw combat strength.
859: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 Lucci kills hostages and weak enemies on his own judgment. Pure macho ideology.
862: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 Lucci was rated higher than Crocodile. So even two years ago, he was Warlord-class, far above Vice Admirals.
869: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>867 It’s canon that Lucci > Crocodile. Crocodile was treated as legit during the war, so that puts him above Vice Admirals.
872: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>869 Luffy got destroyed by Smoker back then.
879: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/17 >>869 That makes Lucci stronger than Warlords, and even stronger than Doflamingo, who post-timeskip Luffy barely beat with help.
Tangent: Emperors vs World Government
54: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 If a Yonko punches a Celestial Dragon, do Admirals show up? Wouldn’t they just get destroyed?
56: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 >>54 They wouldn’t send just one.
58: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 >>54 They’d bring enough force to guarantee a kill. Even Akainu alone couldn’t handle Whitebeard.
69: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 >>58 Even with all Admirals, Vice Admirals, and Warlords, Sengoku said they might lose.
84: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 >>69 That was against the whole Whitebeard crew. Against Whitebeard alone, maybe a blitz works. Maybe.
178: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 >>84 You still have to deal with Marco and the rest. Two Admirals wouldn’t cut it.
132: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 >>69 Whitebeard alone was absurdly strong. The strongest man was an old guy on life support.
162: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 >>132 Whitebeard could’ve destroyed the world. He was holding back because he wanted to die himself.
234: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 >>162 Aside from Katakuri, Big Mom’s crew didn’t look that strong. Awakened Doflamingo still feels scarier.
Familiar Powers, Familiar Fear
72: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 Lucci and Kaku are strong, sure, but they’re Zoans with Rokushiki. We know all their tricks. “Stronger Haki” is all that’s left, so they’re not scary.
Rob Lucci “The Cat-Cat Fruit…!!”
122: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 >>72 There’s Awakening. Haki-imbued Rankyaku and Shigan would be deadly. Speed + ranged attacks.
74: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 Lucci at best is below Luffy, above Warlords. Even two years ago, Lucci and Kaku were Vice Admiral level.
77: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/16 Last time, no Haki or Awakening for either side. It’d be weird if Lucci didn’t grow too.
(´・ω・) He’s stronger now, sure. (´・ω・) But he’s already been beaten.
👉 Why Lucci Feels “Too Known” for CP0
The strongest undercurrent here isn’t raw power. It’s familiarity.
Japanese fans aren’t rejecting Lucci because he’s weak. They’re rejecting him because he’s already been solved.
👉 This Isn’t About Lucci — It’s About CP0’s Mystery
CP0 is supposed to embody the unknown. But putting Lucci at the top collapses that mystique.
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