[One Piece] Can a Celestial Dragon Actually Change? The Mjosgard Shock That Broke a Long-Held Assumption
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Donquixote Mjosgard (2018/06/11) — Are Some Celestial Dragons Actually Capable of Redemption?
For years, One Piece taught readers one thing about Celestial Dragons: “They will never understand.” So what does it mean when one of them does?
“Talking It Out” Actually Worked — And That’s the Shock
8: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) I’m honestly shocked realizing that even someone at Mjosgard’s level could reform just by talking things out. Somehow, “talking won’t get through to them anyway” had been burned into my head.
Saint Donquixote Mjosgard “Ten years ago, I was the foolish Celestial Dragon who drifted ashore at the Ryugu Kingdom…” Flashback:“Save my life, you idiots!!!!”
“The late Queen Otohime enlightened me… she made me human!!!!” “I want to give you my full support with everything I’ve got!!!!”
The Donquixote Lineage — Different From Other Celestial Dragons?
16: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) >>8 Doffy’s father was gentle too. Maybe the Donquixote family is relatively decent compared to other Celestial Dragons.
Donquixote Homing “I’m sorry for being your father.”
Corazon, Doflamingo, and the Question of the “Exception”
Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) >>16 Corazon was a good guy too… Which just makes Doflamingo, who killed his own father and brother, feel like the real irregular one. But still, realizing that even Celestial Dragons can understand “if you talk to them”… Makes you think violence might actually be empty sometimes.
177: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) >>8 Is this a Doffy redemption flag?
What Actually Changed Mjosgard?
9: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) Almost getting killed at Fish-Man Island and meeting Otohime must’ve been huge for him. Charloss is hopeless though.
11: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) I wonder if that Celestial Dragon who shelled Sabo’s ship and caused his amnesia will show up again. They don’t know each other, so probably not.
15: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) Shanks, the symbol of admiration in the story, showing an unexpected side — and Mjosgard becoming a good person, his complete opposite. That contrast together feels really powerful.
Who Judges a Celestial Dragon?
17: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) If a Celestial Dragon punches another Celestial Dragon, who even judges that?
21: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) >>17 Even Lucci looked like “what the hell are these guys doing.”
Donquixote Mjosgard “Huff… huff… I’m sorry. As a fellow Celestial Dragon, I’m ashamed of myself!! Please… forgive me!!” Neptune “……!?” Crowd “!!?” “A Celestial Dragon!!?” Donquixote Mjosgard “Release the princess at once!! You fool!!”
Donquixote Mjosgard “Everyone, I’m sorry!! That idiot caused fear at a place meant for diplomacy……” Rob Lucci “……………………” Donquixote Mjosgard “You may have forgotten me, Neptune— but I owe a debt to the Ryugu Kingdom, and I have been waiting for this day.” “The day you would come here.”
45: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) >>17 Mutual fault. Both sides guilty.
Power Structures, CP0, and the Gorosei
94: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) I’m curious why Mjosgard was so heavily armed. Probably because punching barehanded like Luffy would look weird, but still.
101: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) Among all One Piece characters, Charloss is the biggest piece of trash. Pirates are actually more humane than him.
272: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) I’m really curious how the Five Elders ended up in their position. They’re covered in scars, carry swords, and look terrifying.
280: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) >>272 Maybe those scars came from wiping out the D clan. Unlike current Celestial Dragons, they’re not just rich rulers — for better or worse, they built the current world with their own hands.
Ten Years, Repeated Violence, and Education
817: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) Realizing Charloss got punched by Luffy in June 2008… And then got punched again exactly ten years later. That hits different.
820: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) >>817 And it’s interesting that it’s also been ten years since Mjosgard reformed.
842: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) Honestly, even if it’s Celestial Dragon vs Celestial Dragon, how is someone with no combat ability getting punched that easily? CP0 totally failed at protecting him. Did they realize last second he was a Celestial Dragon? Still, you can’t just let that happen.
847: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) >>842 If it’s a dispute between Celestial Dragons, CP0 probably doesn’t interfere. Like, “solve it yourselves.”
848: Anonymous Pirate (2018/06/11) >>842 CP0 isn’t Charloss’s personal bodyguard or anything. They’re basically directly under the Five Elders. So they probably stay hands-off when it comes to infighting between Celestial Dragons.
(´・ω・`) Education really matters, huh.
👉 Why This Hit So Hard in Japan: “Talking Instead of Violence”
Japanese readers have long associated Celestial Dragons with absolute, unreachable evil. So the idea that conversation, not force, could actually change one of them felt like a worldview crack. It challenged the deeply ingrained assumption that some people are beyond understanding — an assumption many readers didn’t even realize they had internalized.
👉 Power, Responsibility, and the Exception Called Doflamingo
Rather than redeeming Celestial Dragons as a class, this discussion isolates Doflamingo as the anomaly. That framing is crucial: One Piece isn’t saying “anyone can be saved.” It’s asking why some choose not to be — even when they had every chance to change.
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