[One Piece] Chapter 907 Reactions — Is Shanks Really Connected to the World Government? Japanese Fans Go All In
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— Inside Pangaea Castle, “Room of Authority” — Five Elders “What business brings you all the way here?” “The World Council (Reverie) is underway—given your position, you shouldn’t be meddling in politics.” “We made time because it’s you.”
Shanks??? “Yes… I appreciate that.”
Five Elders “Very well… Guards, leave us!!!!” Soldier “Yes, sir!!”
Shanks??? “I wanted to speak about… a certain pirate…”
Shanks / June 2018 — Why Did He Meet the Five Elders at All?
Shanks talking to the Five Elders was enough to flip the entire power map in fans’ heads. Was this a simple warning… or proof he stands closer to the World Government than pirates ever should? Japanese readers didn’t panic — they started dissecting bloodlines, history, and intent.
■ Celestial Dragons, Bloodlines, and Donquixote Connections
6: Anonymous Pirate Is Myosgard basically Doflamingo’s uncle or something?
World Noble (Celestial Dragon) Saint Donquixote Mjosgard “The late Queen Otohime enlightened me… she made me human!!!!” “I want to give you my full support with everything I’ve got!!!!”
14: Anonymous Pirate Big Mom and Kaido being insanely abnormal monsters has always been a thing. But even if it’s just rumor, Moria being said to have clashed with them properly makes you wonder who the hell he really was.
21: Anonymous Pirate Lucci’s the type who just wants legal permission to kill people. Doesn’t matter how trash his boss is — he doesn’t care at all.
■ Reform, Redemption, and the Limits of “Good” Celestial Dragons
30: Anonymous Pirate Myosgard might be a reformed Celestial Dragon, but I kinda want to see a higher-tier one already. Not some flower-field idiot or an ex-Dragon delinquent.
Pirates / Civilians “Even if we leave him alone, he’s already on his last legs…!!!!! He’s a dead man!!!!” “Make him suffer the same pain you went through!!!!” “Kill hiiiiim!!!!!!!” “Torture him to death!!!!!!!!”
Saint Donquixote Mjosgard “Huh…? What’s going on? I’m supposed to be important…!?”
A sheltered idiot gets educated by Otohime, then later saves her daughter — that’s a damn good story.
35: Anonymous Pirate That “certain pirate”… could it be Doflamingo?
■ Donquixote Family Isn’t Just Four People
37: Anonymous Pirat I mean, Donquixote bloodline members just casually showed up, but are you telling me there were more than just the four from the Doflamingo family?
Saint Donquixote Mjosgard “Ten years ago, I was the foolish Celestial Dragon who drifted ashore at the Ryugu Kingdom…” Flashback:“Save my life, you idiots!!!!”
“The late Queen Otohime enlightened me… she made me human!!!!” “I want to give you my full support with everything I’ve got!!!!”
43: Anonymous Pirate >>37 They’re descendants of kings from 800 years ago. It’d be weirder if there weren’t multiple families with the same name.
■ Power Dynamics Among Yonko and Celestial Elites
90: Anonymous Pirate Why the hell are Big Mom and Kaido even exchanging contact info?
Kaido “I’m the one who’s got a grudge against that brat (Monkey D. Luffy)!!!! If you’re coming, I’ll kill you, Linlin!!!”
Charlotte Linlin / Big Mom “Go ahead and try. This isn’t a negotiation—I was just giving you a heads-up.” “Let’s get along, like we used to…!!!!”
■ Lucci, Authority, and Being a Puppet
38: Anonymous Pirate Rob Lucci is such a joke now. He was always a piece of shit who just wanted to kill people under the excuse of “justice,” but now he’s literally nothing more than a bootlicker for those in power—an actual Celestial Dragon puppet. Didn’t think he’d turn out like this… I’m seriously disappointed.
Rob Lucci / Cipher Pol Aigis Zero “Shouldn’t you offer your thanks first?”
Kaku “True enough. By stopping it just now, several countries were saved. ‘Don’t defy the Celestial Dragons’—even kids know that.”
Rob Lucci “The Celestial Dragons are the ‘gods’ who created this world. Those gathered here are, so to speak, the ‘kings of the lower realm.’ It’s only natural that everything the ‘gods’ desire be offered to them.”
Saint Charlos “That’s right, you fools!!”
114: Anonymous Pirate Just thought of this, but what happens when Celestial Dragons’ interests clash? That’d obviously turn into a mess.
126: Anonymous Pirate >>114 Happens in real life too. Rich families fight over interests all the time.
134: Anonymous Pirate >>114 Like court nobles or European aristocrats, Celestial Dragons probably have ranks. So they “talk it out” (aka force compliance).
133: Anonymous Pirate How does that beard even stay like that?
■ Shanks, the Five Elders, and Final Boss Anxiety
158: Anonymous Pirate Between Doffy and Wapol saying stuff like “They’re coming to kill me” and “Power gets dirtier the higher you go,” then Shanks meeting the Five Elders… Are we getting a twist where Shanks is the real core of evil?
167: Anonymous Pirate People calling Shanks a government agent just because he talked to the Five Elders is hilarious. Yeah it’s weird, but calm down.
■ Timeline Logic and Generational Confusion
171: Anonymous Pirate Whitebeard was in his prime in his 30s, died at 72. Big Mom is 68, Kaido calls them old man and old hag. Moria’s same gen, so maybe 50s? If Big Mom is Roger’s generation, Kaido would’ve been a teenager back then. Feels kinda off.
Conversation between Marine officers and Garp
Hina “That’s why you’re called the ‘Hero of the Marines’—”
Monkey D. Garp “—Rocks, huh…!!! Hina, you sure know your history for someone so young.” “…Before Roger, it was without a doubt their era!!” “—But that was already forty years ago. The past is the past!”
189: Anonymous Pirate >>171 “Roger’s era” mainly refers to around 22 years ago near Laugh Tale. He didn’t rule forever before that — makes it feel more natural.
■ Myosgard’s Intentions Aren’t So Simple
212: Anonymous Pirate I don’t think Myosgard actually “reformed.” He might know Shirahoshi is Poseidon. Why would a trash Celestial Dragon put on an act for no benefit?
217: Anonymous Pirate >>212 Sudden redemption happens all the time in One Piece.
■ Five Elders as the True Top?
816: Anonymous Pirate Are the Five Elders the highest-ranking Celestial Dragons?
Conversation at the Empty Throne, Pangaea Castle, Holy Land Mary Geoise
“The twenty weapons guarding the throne are the vow made 800 years ago by the ‘First Twenty’ who created this world.”
“That place stands at the very center of the world, and the fact that no one sits there is proof of peace.” “Just as the highest authority in the world is the Celestial Dragons’ supreme council, the Five Elders, there is no single ‘king’ who rules this world.”
841: Anonymous Pirate >>816 So they’re Celestial Dragons after all. Guess the ones who seem reasonable end up at the top.
844: Anonymous Pirate >>816 Then who was that guy Sakazuki yelled at over his head?
858: Anonymous Pirate >>844 CP0 = Celestial Dragon puppets. Some lower Dragon probably used them without Five Elders’ approval.
856: Anonymous Pirate Yep, Five Elders are the final bosses. Bonney’ll probably de-age them.
■ Symbolism, Numbers, and Thrones
901: Anonymous Pirate “20 creators of the world” — does that number matter? Usually it’s 7, 12, 13… 20 feels awkward.
929: Anonymous Pirate >>901 If you tie it to dragons, imperial dragons have five claws per limb = 20. Maybe the head is something separate.
■ Comedy Flags Still Exist
910: Anonymous Pirate Someone’s definitely sitting on that throne.
Conversation at the Empty Throne
Sterry / Goa Kingdom / King “Can I sit on it?”
Attendant “P-please don’t joke about such a thing!!” “No one is allowed to sit on that throne.”
Sterry “!?”
Attendant “That is the ‘Empty Throne’!!” “It represents the oath that all kings are ‘equal’ and will never harbor ambitions of dictatorship.”
937: Anonymous Pirate >>910 Clearly Stery will sit on it as a gag.
👉 Why Japanese Fans Think This Way
Power Is Read Through “Systems,” Not Shock Twists
Japanese readers don’t immediately jump to “Shanks is evil.” Instead, they test whether the structure makes sense: hierarchy, bloodlines, authority flow. A single shocking scene means nothing unless it fits the world’s internal logic.
👉 What Chapter 907 Actually Changed
Suspicion Shifted From Individuals to the World Itself
The fear isn’t that Shanks is a villain. It’s that the world’s highest powers are dirtier, older, and more interconnected than anyone thought. That’s a much scarier realization — and it points straight toward endgame politics, not just fights.
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