[One Piece] Is Imu the Original Sinner? Adam, Eve, and the Forbidden Fruit Theory Goes Wild
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Imu (2018/06/14) — Was the World’s “God” the First to Eat the Devil Fruit?
If Imu sits on the Empty Throne, what kind of sin justifies rewriting the world itself? Japanese fans aren’t just asking who Imu is — they’re asking what crime started everything.
Adam, Eve, and the Forbidden Fruit
489: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Imu = Adam and Eve Devil Fruits = the forbidden fruit Then One Piece = Paradise D once lived in a paradise on Laugh Tale Imu bit the Devil Fruit and got expelled Held a grudge and wiped out D Now calls himself god and prospers as the Celestial Dragons
349: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Adam + Eve makes Imu So yeah, he probably ate the forbidden fruit first
The Empty Throne and the Broken Oath
34: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Twenty kings swore no one would sit on the throne Yet someone sits there anyway That’s an insult to their ancestors
438: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>34 That oath itself might be fake
282: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 They introduce the Empty Throne and literally the next week someone’s already sitting on it lol
Imu, D, and the Story of Betrayal
66: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Imu probably came down from the heavens Back when he and D swore friendship Now he’s reminiscing while slicing today’s D to pieces
863: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Imu was a member of the D clan 800 years ago Got the eternal youth surgery Touched the forbidden fruit Was branded a traitor and exiled Out of spite, teamed up with other nations (future Celestial Dragons) Destroyed the D kingdom in the Void Century Now rules as god, terrified of D’s revenge repeating
888: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Bonney probably kept rejuvenating the Gorosei That’s why she knows Mariejois so well
Prophecies, Targets, and Royal Blood
141: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Madam Shyarly’s prophecy about Fishman Island was actually about Straw Hat Imu
902: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>141 Yeah I think so too That’s why Imu orders Shirahoshi’s death
905: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>902 Same He stabbed the picture Vivi’s probably getting forcibly relocated to Mariejois
44: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Imu’s wife was one of the traitors First Nefertari princess She hid Pluton in Alabasta That’s why Imu stares at Vivi’s photo
Moon People, Gods, and Space Theories
943: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Imu is Kaguya who failed to return to the moon Maybe there was a war with lunar envoys That’s why he’s obsessed with Earth And that obsession is D
14: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Maybe D weren’t moon people Maybe the 20 kings invaded from the moon Doflamingo wanted immortality to kill Imu
40: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>14 Imu came from the moon The 20 traitor D became Celestial Dragons Remaining D descendants are Luffy and Law lol
70: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Feels kinda Naruto lol Kaguya → Imu Chakra Fruit → Devil Fruit
Fear of the Final Boss Direction
395: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Please don’t make some weird guy the final boss Blackbeard would be better
406: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>395 Could go Gash Bell style Team up with Blackbeard to beat Imu Then final duel after
781: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/15 If Imu’s super strong, that’d be disappointing What was all that “balance of powers” stuff for He avoids fighting himself, so probably not a fighter Please don’t go full Naruto final boss Then it stops being about Pirate King
144: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Imu → EM → Eagle Eye Mihawk Makes sense
310: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Q: A secret no one knows? A: The secret behind the title “ONE PIECE”
ONE PIECE ↓ NEO EPIC “E” A New Story “E” (The Story After D)
324: Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>310 D finds One Piece Creates the new era “E” Title lore is too deep now
400 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Fujitora seems to be planning alliances with kings who have ties to Luffy, so it feels like Fujitora might end up betraying the World Government.
461 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Imu on the same level as Doflamingo ↓ The Five Elders under Imu ↓ Marine top brass who can’t defy the Five Elders.
696 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 So the massive war that Whitebeard talked about — the one that would engulf the entire world — is finally about to begin, huh?
Whitebeard: “Sengoku… you people of the World Government… are going to be struck someday… by a ‘massive war’ so huge it’ll engulf the entire world!!!”
“I’ve got no interest in it myself… but the moment someone finds ‘that treasure’… the world will be turned upside down…!!!”
“Someone will find it.That day will definitely come.”
943 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Imu is like a Kaguya who failed to return to the moon. Or maybe there was a war with lunar envoys who came to pick Kaguya up? If that’s the case, there has to be a reason Imu clung to the surface world that hard. And that reason might be the Clan of D.
14 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 So maybe D weren’t the moon people after all, and instead the twenty kings invaded from the moon. Also, Doflamingo was trying to gain immortality so he could kill Imu, huh.
40 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>14 Imu came from the moon. The twenty traitors from D who sided with Imu became today’s Celestial Dragons, maybe lol. And the surviving descendants of the fallen D are guys like Law and Luffy, maybe lol.
24 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Imu. In Norse mythology, Ymir (Im or Imr) is a frost giant, the son of Vafþrúðnir. According to stanza 5 of the Poetic Edda poem Vafþrúðnismál:
“Then Odin set out to test his wisdom, the wisdom of the all-knowing giant Vafþrúðnir. Odin arrived at the doorway of Ymir’s father’s hall, and Odin went inside.”
Ymir (Im) is also listed among the giants in Skáldskaparmál, part of Snorri Sturluson’s Prose Edda.
75 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 If the opponent is a woman, it feels like she can’t really be Luffy’s one-on-one final opponent, even if she’s a Warlord or a Yonko. Honestly, when the enemy is female, it just lacks hype.
100 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 When they say “someone even higher than Doflamingo,” are they talking about Imu?
173 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 I wonder if this Mariejois collapse will tie into the main story too. The timing is honestly perfect.
581 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>173 Is this Kuma?
588 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>581 The silhouette looks like Fujitora to me.
328 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Mjosgard looks like he’s about to die. If they manage to get the Celestial Dragons on their side, that’d be way too overwhelming. He’s still a Celestial Dragon, so neither the government nor the Marines can really touch him.
349 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Adam + Eve makes Imu, huh. So he’s the one who first ate the forbidden fruit — the Devil Fruit.
384 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 So like… space pirates or something?
385 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 People say the Clan of D is modeled after the Knights Templar. And the Knights Templar were wiped out by France — written in Japanese as 仏. But 仏 literally means “Buddha” or a godlike being in Japanese, so connecting 仏 → Imu as wordplay actually feels kind of convincing.
640 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 You know damn well if Imu turns out to be a hot woman, you guys are all gonna flip your opinions instantly.
642 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 If Imu were Luffy’s mom, then how she even met Dragon is way too unclear. Starting to feel like that’s probably not it.
863 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Imu-sama was a member of the Clan of D from 800 years ago who received the Ope Ope no Mi’s immortality surgery. He messed with the forbidden fruit (later called Devil Fruits) and was exiled as a traitor to his clan. Out of sheer resentment, he allied with other nations (the future Celestial Dragons) and wiped out the D kingdom during the Void Century. Now he reigns as the god of the world, continuing to maintain global balance while living in fear that the D clan’s cycle of revenge will begin again.
888 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14
Five Elders (Gorosei) 22 years ago 10 years ago 2 years ago Present day
Bonney probably kept rejuvenating the Five Elders on a regular basis, so she must have a really good grasp of Mariejois.
925 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 894 The group that’s changed the most is definitely the Red-Haired Pirates. Guys with dragon tattoos and all — it’s on a “what the hell happened to them!?” level lol
27 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Is there any chance Imu = Shanks?
31 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>27 That’s actually possible. It’s weird that he wore a straw hat but was called Red-Haired Shanks. There’s also the possibility that Imu himself is the national treasure of Mariejois.
40 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>27 This week: Gorosei: “Because it’s you, we’ll make time to hear you out.” Red-Hair: “Yes, thank you.”
Next week: Gorosei: “O-oh… Lord Imu.” (kneels) Imu: “…”
If Red-Hair = Imu after that, everyone’s actually insane lol
93 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 Sterry tries to secretly sit on the Empty Throne and ends up running straight into Imu.
102 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>93 Imu: “The target for purification has been decided. King Sterry.”
96 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 When the Void Century ended, the kingdom of D was destroyed, and the World Government was formed afterward. The Poneglyphs are the will of D, left behind so the government couldn’t erase it. D is the natural enemy of God (Imu). And then there’s the Adam and Eve theory… Basically… a decade-old mystery is suddenly rushing straight toward its core, and my brain can’t keep up.
129 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>96 The part after “basically…” is the important one, keep going. The “devil” in Devil Fruits is usually a fallen angel, right? Angels are messengers of God, so fallen angels would be former servants of God. If God is Imu, then among Imu’s servants, the ones who rebelled would be the fallen angels, and… yeah, I’ve got no idea anymore.
113 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 This chapter made it clear the World Government is way scarier than Big Mom. The Marines are just the public face. The reason the World Government fears Yonko clashing isn’t the war itself, but the chance that the Yonko might actually get along and decode the Poneglyphs together. Otherwise there’s no way such a cruel, terrifying government would care. If they just kill each other, that’s ideal for them.
118 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>113 So Shanks has secretly been working to prevent the Yonko from forming alliances?
127 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 If a Celestial Dragon said, “I want to enslave a Marine officer,” would the Marines actually obey?
134 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>127 If it’s possible with a royal like Shirahoshi, then it’s probably possible.
270 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14
Zunesha’s ancient crime = eating the Elephant Devil Fruit (the Fruit of Knowledge). Imu gained the power to rule the world and thus became a god.
294 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>270 The fact that their eyes are the same is pretty interesting.
340 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>270 Alright, now that everyone’s getting hyped over Zunesha’s eyes, I’m gonna post a seriously mood-killing image.
345 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>340 That too, but the Mihawk image I posted in the previous thread fits as well.
420 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 >>412 Imu only has the pupil marked with the ◎ symbol, but Daruma has the ◎ over the entire eye.
312 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 The Imu-eyed lineage.
Mihawk: “This sea… I was wondering what it remi
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Pudding: “Oh no!! Sanji!!” (What the hell is this creepy perv!! I wanna kill him already!!!)
399 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/14 It was kinda shocking to learn that the Kuma Sabo knew was actually a really kind guy lol
781 : Anonymous Pirate. 2018/06/15 It’d be disappointing if Imu turned out to be super strong. Then what was all that stuff about the balance of the three great powers, or the Paramount War, even for? The fact that he leaves the Yonko alone and doesn’t act personally makes it feel like he’s not a fighter. Please don’t make this turn into a Naruto-style final boss. If Imu has been manipulating the world just to prepare for a fight with some other enemy or something, then it stops being about becoming the Pirate King at all.
👉 Why Japanese Fans Lean Toward “Original Sin”
Japanese readers aren’t just power-scaling Imu. They’re framing him as the first sinner, not the strongest fighter.
This theory fits long-standing themes in Japanese storytelling:
exile over execution
eternal rule born from taboo
gods created by crime, not virtue
Imu isn’t scary because he’s strong. He’s scary because the world itself is built to protect his mistake.
👉 What This Theory Says About One Piece’s Core Conflict
At its core, this discussion reframes One Piece as a story about history denial.
D doesn’t threaten the world by force. D threatens it by remembering.
If Imu ate the forbidden fruit, then the final enemy isn’t a pirate, a king, or a god — it’s a lie that’s been sitting on the throne for 800 years.
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